Ideas (Updated)

[Xaitan]

Here are a bunch of useful/not suggestions;
I know they have all the class kits fixed, but one they can edit them if needs be and two they could be unlockables for when the whole ranking system is up and running.

Equipment:

Cat o' nine tails: A whipping device with many tails, this was used by the Royal Navy in the United Kingdom for punishing or egging on working pirates. (Could be part of a classes kit in the Royal Navy Faction that i've heard your thinking of making) The nickname of the person in authority of this whip was known as the "Naval Cat" which sound's like a good name for a class to me.



Scimitar's: were used by very early pirates such as the persians and indians, it would be good to have a choice between cutlass and scimitar so you don't get bored of either. Maybe scimitar for undead and cutlass for peglegs, vise-versa? or maybe you unlock the scimitar.



Caltrop's (aka CrowsFoot): I know it's a difficult one but i would use it like a mine when you walk over it instead of exploding it damages you. As many sailors worked barefoot, these were ideal for chucking on the deck of a ship your preparing to board. Causing terrible injuries and extreme pain if trodden on, these 4 spiked scrap peices of iron would cause confusion and chaos to a ship trying to defend itself.



The Grenadoe (Grenades): These cast-iron hollow balls were filled with gunpower, grape shot and other shrapnel. This would be a good addition to the current throwing projectiles if not a replacement, this is a realistic pirate grenade that they used very often.



Grappling Hook & Boarding Axes: If you coulden't geuss from the names, the Grappling Hook is to board the ship, and Boarding Axes were used to cut the rope of the hook's, causing the enemy to fall. I believe these will bring ship raiding to a whole new level and also allot of fun for players.

(couldent find an old fashioned thick brown rope one)


Cannons:

Siege Cannon & Howitzers: Land cannons, both were intended to destroy fort's. Mounted on two wheels (the Howitzers wheels were much larger than the Siege) these could be moved around the field to destroy specific targets and foe. Being able to move a land cannon around the map? Sounds good to me, ofcourse it will have to be slow moving but then you can take out ships and personnel around the map.

(Siege cannon)
(Howitzer)

Swivel Cannon: This is a small cannon mounted on a swiviling stand or fork allowing a very wide arc of movement. Mainly used aboard ships, these light cannons were used for damaging perssonel. It has a short-range but can be lifted off its mount and moved to face the enemy. Although they use to unmount them, i think in the game they should stay static, if not then when it is unmounted it becomes a one shot weapon, that you dispose after use. Like the (missile thingy) in BF2 (i don't play BF2 much thus why i cannot remember the name of the gun).


(Different designs of Swivel Cannons)

Mortar: (Im sure this one doesent need explaining)



Cannon Projectiles: (You can learn allot from one image)
How this could be done, like tanks in bf2 and such sorts maybe have a secondary option on the cannon to change to say chain shot to take down a mast then return to bar shot or round shot for pure damage.



Vessels

First off i would just like to say, i think that all ships on a map should become destroyable under heavy cannon fire, it will make it much more fun when ship raiding, and it's not just me who believes this either.

Brigantine: A captains ship that could mount 100 men and 10 cannons (and then some), this ship was built purely for battle and combat.



Sloop: The single-masted Sloop was the speed king of it's time, on a good occasion it could exceed eleven knots.



Schooner: Very similiar to the Sloop this ship could also reach 11 knots in a good wind.



Squarerigger: The large three or more masted squarerigger type ships could be fitted with over twenty cannon plus many swivel guns and a crew of around two hundred men. This is one vessel you would not want to stand in the way of, it's only downfall being it's lack of agility.



Barbary Corsair ship: By using oar powered galleys rowed by slaves this slender Mediterranean ship was able to maneuver quite easily and could go alongside an intended victim. In the galleys one or more big guns were prepared and ready, also several swivel guns were mounted along the ships side rails. But this was nothing in comparison to their main weapon a fighting crew who numbered around one hundred men.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=152044 = Go here it has 2 images and some download about the barbary corsair ship.

Man O War (Pirate Frigate): These massive ships could carry 190 men, these ships were some of the most powerful ships from the 16th–19th centuries and were developed in England in the mid-16th century by Henry VIII.



Royal Navy Frigate: (God im lazy, sorry guys you will have to find out info on this one)



Factions:

Barbary Corsairs: Strong and clever pirates, whose vessels put fear into many oceans. These should be added as they were such brilliant pirates and made a huge impact, defeating many naval ships etc.



Vikings: I know there a bit out of touch with gunpowder and such (accidental rhym) but im sure that you could give them something to get them up to date, i mean there just so cool....and there vessels rock. Circular shields running along the edge, their spears and swords to the ready. Soldier brutes who stop at nothing to get there prize, surely they deserve a place in the game, haha.



Random:

Parrots: (Only the best pirates get one ofcourse) When ranks are brought in this could be given to a player at a certain rank, they get the option to take him/her into battle or not.

Just one last thing, women pirates in Pegleg faction. They existed although punishable by death if caught they still served as pirates, take a look (these are just the famous ones):

Anne Bonny (1719-1720) Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Mary Read - Famous English Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Lady Killigrew - (1530-1570)
Grace O’Malley - Famous Irish woman pirate who commanded three galleys and 200 men!
Mrs. Peter Lambert of Aldeburgh, Suffolk
Jacquotte Delahaye - Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Anne Dieu-le-veut - Female Pirate of the Caribbean
Charlotte de Berry - Woman pirate
Mrs Ching - Chinese wife of a pirate who turned to Piracy after his death
Mary Crickett (or Crichett) was a female pirate who was hung

Anyway that's all my suggestions for now, thankyou for reading and taking in all the information!

And yes i did write every description, no copy and paste -_-
(REMEMBER IM NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE THESE, THERE SIMPLY THERE TO GIVE PEOPLE IDEAS AND MAYBE MAKE SOMETHING SPECIAL! plus i was bored....)
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[elander]

Nice stuff...

Here comes some pictures of a remake of a old Swedish trading ship from 1708













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[Xaitan]

Thanks for the comment, that swedish ship looks much like a frigate.
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[Orwell's Tuesday Mental]

Nice pics of ships there, liking the fully functioning cannons too.

A fair few decent suggestions from Xaitan,

Crows feet could be a good option for the less offensively armed classes eg: scout, as running away is the best plan when faced with a heavily armed opponent (i can count the number of times i've been killed with a ducksfoot on one hand, and despite living in Norfolk, thats still less than 6 )

Proximity weapons already exist in the BF2 engine such as the claymore, so 'mine' style spikey foot devices should be a possibility.

Scimitars would have more heft and damage than your common/garden cutlas, be interested to hear thoughts on how this could be included.

At present, both Peglegs and Undead are mirrored team factions, with identi -kits, could one faction have a heavier hit with the melee attack, but a slower swing/speed of attack? (draw sword, choose when to click mouse1 with more timing than my current 'button bash, turnasfastaspossible, repeat' tactic)

Making all ships destroyable by heavy cannon fire
I assume you're referring to the Dead Calm map and its mighty, cannonproof, capital ships.

They knew how to build em back then, if i was a self respecting pirate, a cannon-proof ship would be second on my list after an foulmouthed sarcastic parrot (its an image thing)

I love the dead calm map, CQB all the way, but it can get a bit stagnated once one team has all 4 ship flags, hard to take back under heavy cannon & sniper musket fire.

If both capital ships were able to sustain damage (and i mean a lot), heavy fighting would be more concentrated between the ships, as players try to blast the opposing ship, while repairing their own and repelling boarders, good teamplay would be needed for success.

This sort of play was possible with the BF1 engine, with maps like Weapons Bunkers in the DC mod, allowing custom structures to be attacked and repaired, not sure how possible it is with the BF2 engine, tho bridges exist as map structures and can be destroyed and repaired in vanilla BF2...

Be good to hear some feedback from devs about possibilities, BF2 could be a friendlier engine
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[-=4th=-1/2Hawk]

The thing with those two ships is - they're a pig to work with in 3DSMax, and anyways they soak up quite a bit of memory when the map loads... if you had to preload several versions of that ship in various states of damage then a lot of folks wouldnt be able to play on that map. I totally agree it would be badass, but the focus lately is making a lot more places to go fight over and adding some depth to naval and aerial combat, instead of adding stuff like this which only affects a very specific situation. If we had a lot more help, something like this would go up further the priority list.

I do like the Crows Feet idea though... will have to give that some thought.
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[Xaitan]

Thanks for the comments guys, hope my suggestions are of some assistence
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[VII Chris]

I definitly think there should be different swords, not when you spawn but specialy hidden ones around the map - slightly more powerfull then your average cutlass (Scimitars, Poinards etc)



As for like 3-4 of the things you posted, they are already in the game!

Grappling Hook, Cannons, Mortors, Scooner we can safely say is the equivelent of a runaboat..

This whole debate about women in battlefield has been going on a while in the BF Heroes beta forums too, i believe there should be women but its not a priority, i would rather see other content worked on first.





Somthing i would like to see though would be a pistolier pirate class (modelled on blackbeard) with dual pirate pistol + grenades + explosive barrel for good measure + maybe some powder (he was totaly loaded).




But im happy with the cannoneer class for next patch (for now :p)

[Catbox]

"This whole debate about women in battlefield has been going on a while in the BF Heroes beta forums too, i believe there should be women but its not a priority, i would rather see other content worked on first."

If they fight in battle... who's gonna cook dinner...? lol
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[PiratePlunder]

More importantly who's gonna suck my ....

Less importantly, you would be suprised by how much of whats being suggested is already in R2, and no doubt a few extras will come too.

The whole sword thing is the one area where we havent done much - to be honest we need to get the cutlass working better before we think too much about adding additional swords. Trouble is the bf2 engine makes that a pain in the ass.
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[Quint]

Daggers should probably come before scimitars, unless Arab pirates are added. Lots of pirates used daggers inside of cutlasses because they could conseal them. The daggers could have the range of the vanilla BF2 knife, but do about 50 damage. So dagger would dominate in extremely close range, but cutlass would be a more well rounded weapon.

Crows feet sounds great.

Chain shot for cannons should really be included, but it should work by making ships immobile if the masts are hit (I'm pretty sure that's impossible by BF2 standards though).

And with regard to women - wenches are needed before women pirates, they could replace the medics. (Kit includes pot of boiling water to throw on people, mug of beer that gives +75 health and food object (bread or something) that gives +20 health).
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[terrorpirate]

Terror pirate would like some new toys too. So the terror pirate throws in some ideas, which may be bad but that's why they are ideas:

Flaretube
Yarr, terror pirate doesn't like this. Looks like something out of Peter Pan.
Terror pirate has happened to see pirate Plunders invention; teh flamethrower.

So why not make the Flaretube usefull and make it like a single shot flamethrower? Or can't it be a flare and a fire starter? Would be really good to destroy spawnkilling ships.

More melee
Arrr.. While this is not a huge gameplay change it's still nice to see some bigger varity. Bayonets and belaying pins would be fun to use.

Mines (anti-personal)
This could be a bad idea, since people like to put them at flags. Would be fun though to stop a charge of pirates with them. Could be made out of plates or bowls.

Deployable Mortar
Something like a grenade launcher but with more punch. Could be interesting, maybe not.

Terror pirate will try to think of some more creative ideas, instead of these.

Also terror pirate hopes there will be no 'real factions' like the British Navy. Terror pirate is sick of playing the British, Americans and Germans and this is one of the reasons he likes this mod. Instead Terror Pirate hopes something creative like Reggea pirates.
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[Captain Norton I]

Been gone a while (I've been sick)

Anyway, on Vikings, they could be zombies. I mean, the timespan between 500 AD and 1500 AD is a good millenia, so I doubt they'd be alive. By Zombies I don't mean Skeletons like the other faction. I mean gray flesh and black blood Zombies in chipped armor. Or maybe they could have been apart of an ancient expedition that was frozen in an iceburg that has just floated down from the north into the Gulf of Mexico. Or were timewarped in some Bermuda triangle thing.

Regardless, they'd get some cool stuff. Maybe bows to balance with pirate guns, and some Hammer of Thor lighting grenade and all sorts of myth stuff if you get bored.

I also very much like the Barbary Pirates. Perhaps they could be given the Schimitar.
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[LaMarseillaise]

Some time ago, someone suggested adding in Trading Companies as a third faction. I like this idea very much.

-LaMarseillaise

[jhoonday]